A collared cardigan under a jacket: Ciardi and Colhay’s
In recent weeks I’ve been playing around with this button-through cardigan from Colhay’s.
Initially I was sceptical as to whether I’d ever wear it tucked in - and afraid it was a little lightweight to wear untucked. The same fear put me off the Stoffa version a couple of years ago.
Fortunately, I’ve found I quite like it tucked in, as shown here under a new jacket from Sartoria Ciardi.
It’s an unusual look, but it feels more natural to tuck in something like this - with its shirt-like buttoning and lack of ribbing at the hem - than a regular sweater.
The visual softness of the material, combined with the off-white colour and roomy fit, also reminds me a little of an 80s or 90s Armani aesthetic.
There aren’t the same wide-shouldered proportions to the tailoring, but the Ciardi jacket is similarly soft, and it’s roomier than other Neapolitan cuts.
The colours are also suitably subdued and tonal, while the materials are packed with texture - particularly the heavy (19oz) Fox flannels and cashmere cardigan.
Even the belt (alligator, Rubato) feels a little reminiscent of that style, as well as adding a bit of visual interest in the absence of a tie.
The only practical problem of the cardigan under a jacket is that the collar isn’t designed for it - now and again it will slip under the lapel, or flip outside of it.
It doesn’t annoy me too much, I even like the occasional accidental sprezzatura. But if it does, I still like the cardigan tucked in without a jacket (as shown above).
The fineness of the cashmere means it doesn’t balloon that much at the waist; indeed, the knit’s texture and stretch naturally prevents it, as long as the waist is reasonably tight.
Right now, I like playing with the cardigan unbuttoned a little too, and don’t mind showing a little of the undershirt. But if I change my mind, or for readers who don’t want that look, it also works with one button buttoned - the regular height I’d fasten a normal dress shirt.
Although, having said that, it is nice to have some white setting off oatmeal colour of the cardigan. It makes tonal colours like this much easier to wear - less likely they’ll wash out the wearer.
I think you can see this below. With the cardigan buttoned all the way up to the neck, and no white showing any more, the oatmeal doesn’t look quite as good against the skin.
If I was buttoning the cardigan a little higher, therefore, I would wear a regular T-shirt underneath, so a little bit of white was still showing.
The handkerchief performs a similar role in the outfit overall, preventing it all becoming too flat and tonal. There’s nothing wrong with that kind of look, but personally I find it more pleasing to retain some contrast.
That can also be achieved by introducing contrast in the materials - for example wearing a shiny calf loafer rather than a matte suede one, as here.
Readers will be familiar with this cut of jacket now, from Neapolitan tailor Ciardi. It’s my favourite non-English, casual style, and I’ve shown it often enough - with this gun-club check for example.
It’s so nice having a tailor you trust, driven by the fact he delivers time and again. There are never any mistakes, the fit is basically perfect every time: it removes all of the potential uncertainty and risk of bespoke.
It’s hard to know exactly how I would commission clothes if I wasn’t writing Permanent Style. My choices are always going to be a bit of a hybrid between returning to makers I love, and trying new ones in order to show readers all the options.
But I’m pretty sure I’d end up sticking with two or three tailors, largely based on style. A soft make like Ciardi or The Anthology, perhaps, and an English drape like A&S or Steven Hitchcock. Then the occasional one from Ferdinando Caraceni, Cifonelli or Edward Sexton for one-off pieces.
I don’t know how quickly I would have got to that point without PS either. Most people know they should stick with a small number, but feel the constant pull of interesting alternatives. But I would have got here in the end.
The cloth is AIT-070 from Anglo-Italian. I bought it about two years ago, but given Enzo Ciardi’s inability to travel during Covid, it's only now that I’m seeing it made up.
I was interested to try this one from Anglo because it’s a mixture of wool and cotton - which I’ve never had before - and has some polyamide too. When Jake started doing his own cloths, part of the reason was the ability to do different combinations and finishes, so it was good to try it out.
As I’ve said before, there’s nothing necessarily wrong with a little synthetic in a material, as long as it’s there for a reason. Or rather, a reason other than saving money.
Here, there is a place for it, which is keeping the rather loose weave together. Anything that is more loosely woven is going to be more apt to stretching over time, and that's a particular risk with cotton (think how much better wool knitwear performs compared to cotton). So the polyamide is the only way to achieve this mix.
The loose weave is lovely - the material is really comfortable, soft and stretchy. And I think the cotton gives the material the material a more flat, matte surface.
The only downside is that those two things mean the cloth doesn’t feel so luxurious - I can understand someone feeling that they would prefer a pure wool, whether a superfine worsted or a sturdier tweed. So far, my thinking is that while I really like the jacket, I would probably use it for occasional commissions, rather than stopping using more regular tweeds or cashmeres most of the time.
The other clothes shown are:
- Charcoal trousers by Whitcomb & Shaftesbury in Fox 19oz flannel
- ‘Grand’ Belgian loafers by Baudoin & Lange in black suede
- Deep-V T-shirt by Sunspel
- White linen handkerchief, vintage
And links to the ones already described are:
- Black alligator belt with brass buckle by Rubato
- Cashmere collared cardigan by Colhay’s
- Anglo-Italian cloth 070
- Jaeger LeCoultre reverso watch, with custom alligator strap from Jean Rousseau
Photography: Alex Natt @adnatt
Hi Simon – fantastic jacket (cut, style, cloth) and you and Ciardi are clearly now a well-oiled machine!
I have been looking at this Colhay item myself – the colour actaully seems a bit more versatile than it did on the website where it looked a little lighter (IMO). Could I please also ask which size you took for this? Thanks in advance.
No worries James.
I actually took a 42 here. I normally wear a 40 in Colhays, but I think cardigans like this should always fit a little looser.
Hi Simon,
It would be interesting to see a Ciardi jacket made up in a more casual fabric, like some of your tweed etc. How do you think his style would wear with denim for instance? So far the commissions would always need trousers. Reading what you have written about Ciardi before, it certainly seems he is a touch more formal than some Neopolitan tailors, so I would be interested in your thoughts on whether you would be happy with something more casual from them?
Thank you
Hey,
Well he has made me the gun-club tweed here? My PS tweed would look pretty similar.
And I’ve worn that with white jeans in this piece.
That jacket is OK with blue jeans too, but it would be better with a slightly hairier tweed probably.
Very personal opinion, but I think it looks great with the jacket on,but a little bland without. Perhaps, that is the colour, as it gives great contrast under the jacket.
However, it’s pleasing to see where we are with quality menswear.The use of colour, contrast and texture works well. Old charm, but modern.
I think these fabric mixes will be more common. The slouch of the jacket is perfect. It’s a great day jacket, soft but robust. Possibly a good choice for those without a large tailored collection.
”But I’m pretty sure I’d end up sticking with two or three tailors, largely based on style. A soft make like Ciardi or The Anthology, perhaps, and an English drape like A&S or Steven Hitchcock. Then the occasional one from Ferdinando Caraceni, Cifonelli or Edward Sexton for one-off pieces.”
Thats a very very valuable comment from someone who have tried so many tailors. How much did the ciardi jacket cost ?
2600 euros plus cloth
I keep looking and cant put my finger exactly on the why but I dont like it under the jacket or as a stand alone. Odd as its more like a shirt so I cant see why it would not work but for me it doesnt work at all. Maybe if it was untucked? Ah we cant all like the same things eh…
Well put Gary.
It’s OK untucked, but not a look I like so much – a bit too sloppy, given it’s length and thickness (unlike a regular fine cardigan).
I shall work it out why I dont like it … makes no sense as I am a lover of cardigans in all styles (with the exception of the mustard coloured thing with pockets full of pipe tobacco my grand wore)
My money’s on it being too unusual, but let me know the outcome!
could be just that…..
HI
Just wondering if you take a medium in the Sunspel underwear T?
Thanks
Yes I do
Incredible you take M because you are bigger and more muscular
than I am, and I take XL which isn’t really much bigger than L, so that I consider even XxL.
I get the feeling your cashmere cardigan with t-shirt underneath and even jacket must be very warm, too warm?
Maybe I’m just good at giving that impression Peter!
I don’t find it that warm to be honest, no
I feel like I should not ask this, but I can’t stop myself: what is the difference between a collared cardigan and a wool shirt?
Luckily there are some pretty clear technical differences Joel.
A cardigan’s material is knitted, where a shirt’s is woven. The feel is pretty much always going to be different as a result.
And a cardigan is fashioned together, rather than sewn. You won’t get the same sharp edges or visible seams.
Excellent.
I got as far as “the cardigan is probably thicker”.
I suppose this is usually true, but it’s not a defining difference.
Yeah, it will feel thicker usually, but whatever thickness it is, it will have a different texture and hand. Eg a knit has more natural stretch usually
I’ve always liked the look of the single sleeve button your other neapolitan sport jackets. Any reason for you to go with three now?
(And boom: the unlikely return of the defamed handerchief! I did not expect this any time soon.)
Not particularly, no. I just thought that colour of button looked a little better with more of them.
And yes, on the handkerchief I guess I said it was to use deliberately, rather than by default. And here the white adds some needed contrast
Yes, I see the reasoning on the handerchief. I think the pop of bright white really works within the muted backround. The standard white linen handerchief is the only version of handerchief I was always fond of. Good to get new ideas how to wear it. Sadly, mine is waiting in my desk drawer for years without use. Always seems too try-hard for the combinations I could think of.
The colour on colhay shirt is lovely , i too have seen it on the website but the colour looks a lot nicer. I know that Todd and Duncan supply the yarn for Colhays but who do they use for the knitting ?
If you don’t mind me asking Ian, why do you want to know? In my experience, readers usually want to read some aspect of quality out of that information, and that’s often misleading. Factories make to different specifications.
to be honest, and this may seem a bit strange but I am on a tight budget, and as such I have decided not to save money by buying cheap but instead to not buy as much but to buy better quality, my logic is they are using great cashmere ( used by lockie who are generally thought of as one the best knitwear producers in the world) but I know that if the knitters they use ( as they are a newish company) aren’t considered that great I may be better to hold off as the crewneck I would buy from them is £360 for a 2ply and they don’t seem to do special offers/discounts
very happy to acknowledge my logic may be flawed btw !
That makes perfect sense to invest in quality Ian, and it is good to know some things about where pieces are made, eg in Scotland. I’m just wary of people reading too much into the manufacturers.
But anyway, the make on Colhay’s is very good, Scottish make and as good as any others. The price is a little high these days, but certainly I can recommend the quality.
I disagree, I feel that transparency is very important for me as a consumer. Whether you like it or not at the end of the day every purchase you make is political in one way or another. I take interest and responsibility in who or what my money is supporting. I feel that as supply chains get murkier and price becomes main factor in purchase decision, the individual consumer, as well as the whole society loses, if not straight away then in coming future.
I’ve purchased from multiple manufacturers in Hawick, mostly lambswool but also some cashmere and I can tell you from personal experience that there is a noticeable difference in quality control between makers.
One thing I’m curious about is how much machinery used makes a difference in end product. I know some makers like Lockie and Barrie at least partly still use old Bentley machines, while others have fully moved to modern machinery.
Thank you. I guess the problem I’m pointing out is that even if you know the mill, that doesn’t mean something very specific about the product, necessarily. And although you might want transparency, no one is going to tell you all the detail about the specifications for that particular customer.
So overall, I think it’s better to assess the quality yourself, or from the experience of others (as you are relating here) rather than drawing firm conclusions from which mill it is.
On machinery, I’d only say that I’ve visited nine or ten mills, and all had a mixture of looms, with some variation depending on the product they wanted to produce, but more often on just saving up the tens of thousands of pounds required for a new one.
Thanks for replying Simon. I guess theres a romantic idea about how old-school make was superior due to general drop of quality related to rise of fast fashion. People feel like everything modern is developed only for efficiency and thus cost-cutting is inevitable. Somehow this idea also translates directly to the looms used.
I can’t say I don’t at least partly subscribe to that way of thinking, is it rational or just elitist, I can’t even tell anymore.
Take for example Goodyear vs hand welted shoes. Even if Goodyear welting system is over a century old it could still be considered a modern cost cutting method. While I do enjoy the idea of hand welted shoes, it really is one of the least important factors one should consider when buying a pair of shoes.
Good point on hand welting, yes.
It’s interesting, because I think in most fields, modern technology is probably better quality than historically, but it’s much more patchy with clothing like we cover.
I always remember going to the Bresciani factory, having seen ‘hand linked’ displayed on some of their packaging. And when you’re there, there are women linking the toes by hand. But they said, really, the only reason they still do it is because it’s cheaper, and they’re saving up for a machine-linking machine every year.
Out of interest which cashmere producers would you recommend / not trcpmmend in Hawick ? Thanks
nice point
Anglo-Italian’s Tessuti fabrics are excellent, one of the best fabric books for sports coats I can think of. Instead of having just one weight and fabric type, and having dozens of patterns, most of which are impractical; they stick to patterns that are all wearable, in a wide variety of weights and fabrics. It’s a great approach. One could make a very comprehensive sports coat wardrobe just from it alone.
Looking more like Andre Larnyoh every day..
Could you add a photo where you aren’t pulling the jacket back with your pocketed hands or otherwise obscuring it behind railings? It would be nice to appreciate the jacket with a clear view.
I confess that I’m partly also interested to see the pattern matching of the patch pocket, which I asked you about on another thread recently.
I don’t have an image like that I’m afraid C – I don’t usually take them when it’s not a review of the jacket as such. The fit and cut etc is all the same as previously reviewed ones
I have to say, this is one of my favourite looks from you recently, Simon. In the post-suit era (at least post-suit-as-required-for-work), the wearing tailoring in a more casual way is going to be a central topic for anyone who aren’t willing to give up the sport coat just yet, and I think this is an interesting way to do it. Definitely one that requires a little more attitude than the denim shirt, but I think you wear it very well. It does definitely have a bit of flair.
Most attempts I see to wear jackets in a casual way feel very heavy handed and obvious: jeans, sneakers (and not the dressy white leather ones…) and baseball caps all scream “Yes I’m wearing a jacket but look how relaxed and casual I am about it” – I know I’m in the minority, but I find nothing redeeming about those looks. Once the casual elements becomes too obvious, I feel it stops being casual and starts being an active statement of how casual an exquisitely tailored jacket in a carefully selected fabric is.
But this wasn’t meant to be rant about that, it was suppose to be encouragement about showing less obvious ways to wear tailoring casually!
I do have one question: how do you feel the cardigan will be effected by wearing it tucked in? I would worry that fine knitwear worn tucked in with a belt would start piling quite heavily around the waist, especially cashmere knitwear?
Thank you Sam.
I think the pilling should be OK, given it’s sitting in one place rather than moving around. But I can see maybe in the very long term it might happen, or distort the cardigan such that you’d only want to wear it tucked in.
That does sound like a reasonable assumption. Following that up, would you know of anyone who makes a cardigan in that style in merino wool instead of cashmere? The colhay and stoffa prices for cashmere feel rather punishing, even though the garments are very tempting…
I don’t, sorry
I return to the office next week. I have been thinking about how I will dress as I can’t see myself wearing a tie very often anymore. An article about how office wardrobes have changed, probably mostly inviting comments from readers could be interesting.
Sure Peter. It is something that drops into posts a lot, for example with the recent piece on formality of knitwear. But I would be interested to see what others are wearing
I’m a week in advance of Peter K and my workplace is smart but informal, but
Mon/Tues – client meeting.
Ps blue Oxford, (cavallaro Napoli) , navy crew neck, grey wool trousers (Cordings)and dark brown Tods desert boots. PWVC Harrington.
Thursday. No clients .
Cavallaro Napoli, brown merino roll neck. beige, fine cotton crew neck(vintage store) ,stone chinos(Cordings) snuff suede chukka (Crockett and Jones
Where I work most people seem to wear a fairly casual shirt (flannel, OCBD, etc) and chinos or jeans during autumn and winter. Jackets are uncommon. Flannel or wool trousers are worn but by a minority. The context is important to avoid being out of place.
If I want to were a jacket it tends to be tweed (dark brown like the PS tweed or deep olive, Neapolitan) with a light denim or OCBD shirt. The trousers are either jeans (“double denim” with tweed, when the shirt is light and the jeans dark works well) or chinos. Shoes are usually suede loafers, chukkas or single strap monks. This is more formal than the average but not out of place.
Alternatively, I wear flannel trousers, calf shoes or cordovan shoes (plain derby or brogue), an OCBD shirt and then a chunky cardigan or crewneck sweater. Wearing a jacket with these more formal shoes and trousers pushes the outfit too far beyond the average.
I have this cardigan in dark olive. I was unsure about the style but the color was so great I decided to experiment. It has been versatile and terrific. I have worn it as a cardigan, just over an oxford shirt. I have also worn it over an oxford and under a jacket as a layering piece. And on a recent trip when I ran out of clean shirts I buttoned it up and wore it as a shirt under my tweed jacket.
Dear Simon, I have a question realating to the cardigan design. Do you know where one could purchase shirt size real horn buttons such the ones on this cardigan? It seems they are hard to come by. Thank you.
I don’t, sorry. It’s rare that suppliers will sell in small quantities to end consumers
No problem. Thank you anyway.
Your Ciardi jacket is fantastic! Your comments about having only two or three trusted tailors was spot on as was your list which I’ve adopted. I’d suggest that having a similar short list of knitwear providers would also be useful. For example, my list, thanks to PS, includes Smedley, Sunspel, and Luca Faloni with the occasional one off piece from Begg.
Thanks. To be honest I think my knitwear list would be different, really only varying with substantially different styles, like a cashmere crewneck, a shetland, a shawl collar etc
May I ask what your list might look like?
I’d have to give it some thought, perhaps an article at some point. But my point is that I would vary with design rather than anything else – eg Rubato because of the shorter cut, bigger chest; or Connolly because of their oversized art cardi. The list would be short for basics, but potentially very long for one-offs
Actually an article on this subject is a great idea so please consider writing one. I forgot to mention that my outerwear maker of choice is Private White, again thanks to PS.
Why not include Whitcomb on your tailor short list, given you seem to like the style, value and execution?
I’m assuming cost is no barrier! If it was I’d certainly look to Whitcomb rather than Steven or A&S, for that slot. And I would continue to get trousers from them in any case, as I do now
Hi Simon,
Thanks for this post. It has helped immensely. I have similar cardigan- although I purchased as a lightweight wool button through polo although probably semantics. Suffice to say I have a similar item in navy, purchased some time ago before really thinking through how to style it- generally wearing on its own.
Whilst I don’t really go for that colour palette in tonal, ( which I think you pulled of extremely well except for I would have gone for a crew neck T-shirt) I intend to go for something similar in the blue/ grey range with white crew neck T or buttoned to neck. Thanks for giving me some ideas.
On a bit of a tangent. I was thinking of buying a navy unstructured jacket- possibly in cotton or a mix with hemp (eg along the lines of the Drakes Games blazer MK1), to wear with a Breton (navy/white) crew neck T-shirt and chinos or jeans. I think you would know the look, so would appreciate any thoughts before I invest!
As always all the best.
Thanks Stephen. If it’s more of a polo shirt (pique cotton, sewn not fashioned) you might find it’s better without anything underneath, or better with more summery things elsewhere. But just a suggestion.
On the unstructured jacket, that sounds nice and a good look. Make sure you’re happy with it just with a shirt underneath too though – it will make it much more versatile.
Thanks Simon. It’s a merino wool button through polo – I should have been clearer. Thanks also for the sensible advice on the jacket – it wouldn’t be the first mistake I’ve made.
Best
Hi Simon,
Out if interest, have you tried Colhays Superfine Lambswool knitwear. If so how does it compare with other lambs wool brands in terms of feel?
Hi Rupesh,
I have tried it, yes. It’s nice, finer than some, though also not as thick as, say, Rubato, so that softer feel is probably inevitable
Simon,
I think the jacket is fantastic and the tonal colour combo with the knit also very pleasing. I am struggling to like the two together from a stylistic point of view.
I do find the cardigan somewhat strange under the jacket; it imitates a shirt but doesn’t really fulfill a ‘proper’ one to my eye or provide the shape of tradition cardigan. Not withstanding that, I also find that the collar of the knit is slumping or should that be slipping under the jacket in almost all the photos. I thought one your own personal dislikes was collars that don’t stand up under a jacket? If I’m not mistaken that was one the objectives of the collar you developed on the PS Friday Polo for example, which in my opinion looks much nicer with a jacket. Have you mellowed on that point?
On Colhay’s product quality and colours, I find them very good, excellent in fact. I’ve been precluded from making further purchases for the moment due to the fact that I just find their sleeve length a touch on the short side for myself – a point which has been raised in discussion by several readers before on a separate PS article. I have queried this with Colhay’s by making direct comparison to similar sizes and sleeve length from other brands but unfortunately received no response. Bit of shame really.
As always, I’d thank you for bringing articles like this to readers for discussion.
Hi JSB,
On the style point, yes I think that is rather the point, that slight dissonance.
On the collar, I do talk about that in the piece?
Thanks for the note on the sleeve length. I’m sure Colhay’s will have noted that, even if they haven’t responded.
Simon, this look is good, is it practical? Can you travel on the tube (in rush hour) and keep the jacket on? I suspect it’s very dependent on the jacket cloth.
I think so, but why not also take the jacket off if you were too warm?
Anything you want to wear for outerwear is usually going to be too hot once you’re in a crowded tube, no?
Beautiful jacket and trousers! How do you like the heavy flannel fabric? Do you know why fox brothers doesn’t recommend it for suiting? Is it related with not holding a crease well or is it something else? Thank you!
I think it would be very heavy as a jacket. You can get away with more weight and warmth variation on your legs, because less blood flows there – you’re less likely to feel cold or hot. But as a jacket I think it would be of limited seasonal use
Thank you for your answer! I was mostly referring to what is written in the product description: ” Due to its weight and heavily milled finish this cloth is more suitable for jacketing rather than suiting.”. I guess what matters in the end is personal experience, and it sounds like you are happy with the fabric used for trousers.
I am. To be honest I think I disagree a little with Fox as to the fact it would be good for a jacket too!
Hi Simon
I’m thinking of using this Fox heritage heavy flannel for trousers for the winter. How have you found the fabric and would it be versatile enough for a warmer Autumn or Spring day? The swatch I’ve received from Fox seems doesn’t seem bulky? The colour is a lovely in between between a mid grey and a charcoal. Would be grateful for your views.
It’s a little hard to say, because it depends where you live and how you feel the heat. But I think it should be fine, yes.
Strange, but for me this just doesn’t work.
A ‘V’ neck sweater with a shirt underneath – yes.
A PS finest cardigan – again with a shirt – yes.
A polo or roll neck – yes.
This one – no and I think it’s because of the preponderance of buttons with no break to the collar. It just doesn’t look right.
Nice jacket and trousers though.
Hi Simon
Love the look-cardigan, jacket and trousers.
The cardigan looks great tucked in.
On the jacket, could silk have served the same purpose as the polyester? In the classic wool-silk-linen blend, doesn’t silk play a similar role of strengthening the weave? I know you can’t construct your own fabric so its ultimately a moot point, but I was curious to ask as a thought exercise. It’s a beautiful pattern but i share your skepticism of synthetics so I suspect that pattern could be found in a fabric that doesn’t compromise luxury, as you note this one does.
I’m not sure on the silk actually Garry, I’d have to ask someone more technical. It certainly does add strength to some of those other fabric mixes, but I’m not sure how much it would help with the way cotton can stretch out
Simon re the sleeve buttons on this jacket the one nearest the sleeve end appears to be kissing/overlapping the middle one whilst the other button at the other end appears side by side the middle one. Is this the case? Generally do Italian tailors prefer “kissing”/overlapping sleeve buttons (usually 4 hole and shiny) whilst Savile Row tailors prefer side by side/non – kissing (usually 2 hole and matt) ?
No, they’re all the same distance. Italians do usually prefer kissing, yes, but you can also ask for more distance if you want.
Curious to know, how much polyamide is there?
15%. Details are on the cloth page of the AI site here
I still don’t see the case for the Colhays shirt cardigan. I agree with you that it won’t look good untucked because of the length and lack of ribbed hem. That means it can really only be worn as a shirt. But the material seems far too heavy for a shirt–better to wear a knitted shirt a la Stoffa or even a Colhays cashmere polo. The one advantage the Colhays shirt cardigan has over the Colhays polo is its deeper buttons–creates a better “V” with which to frame the face. But Colhays could (and should) fix that by using a deeper placket on their polos. I love the jacket here (I own one in the same AIT fabric), but I vote no on the shirt cardigan.
Thanks. Interestingly, I have tried the polo under a jacket, tucked in, and it looks very wrong. I think you need the button through with anything of this weight
I wonder if that could be fixed by deepening the placket, as I mentioned above. Perhaps it the polo also needs a stiffer collar. I know what you mean though–I’ve tried the Colhays silk-cashmere short-sleeved polo under a jacket and also didn’t love the look. Much prefer the Dartmoor for that sort of thing.
Hello, how much of the year do you expect to get use out this jacket given weight of the cloth and the combination of fabrics it’s been woven with?
I reckon all but the summeriest of summer days, if made up with a lightweight construction (unlined, relatively unstructured). And it’s on those grounds I’ve been considering this cloth myself.
Yes I think that’s right, at least in the UK.
For example, I always idolize tucking a T-shirt or shirt into my pants and find it very masculine. I also wear trousers with a belt. But I’m not 40 yet
Superb combo! I notice you’ve tended to leave your jacket unbuttoned – is this a reflection of your adopting a more relaxed attitude towards dressing?
Perhaps. Actually just wrote an article on that very subject! It should be up next week, will be interested to get your opinions on the subject then
Hi Simon, great combination! what’s your thoughts if to swap Colhay’s oatmeal over-shirt with white OCBD shirt & Rubato fawn V neck under the same blazer? Regards
That would be nice Henry, the only issue being that the Rubato knitwear is pretty chunky and large in fit. It wouldn’t fit that well under a jacket like this
How would this other cloth from Anglo Italian Tessuti wear do you think? It’s a wool/cotton mix but doesn’t have the polyamide,
https://angloitalian.com/collections/tessuti/products/ait-069
I can’t remember what it’s like in person, but I wouldn’t think it would need the polyamide because it looks like it’s tighter woven.
The cotton would add a bit of the casual nature and that flat surface that I mentioned with this material.
Thank you – when you say the casual nature – does that mean it would rumple/crease more? As that’s not a property I would look for.
It probably would, yes, being partly cotton. Pure wool will usually do that less
Hi Simon, could I ask whether the jacket is fully lined? I remember from your previous article that you had a slight issue with a half-lined gun club tweed jacket from Ciardi.
Many thanks,
Jack
It is, yes
How do you find it? Would you recommend full-lined if I want the jacket to hang cleaner at the back?
I like it, and yes if you’re concerned about that then perhaps have it fully lined
Hi Simon, if you have found the cloth of the jacket versatile? Although, I assume you haven’t had many chances to wear them if it was made early this year
Many thanks,
Jack
I haven’t, no, but I think it will be, yes
Do you think you would wear the jacket for winter under the overcoat? Or only for autumn and spring?
Yes
Hi Simon, would you mostly wear dark colour trousers (e.g. charcoal, dark brown, navy) with the jacket? Or could anything lighter look good? If so, which would you go for?
Many thanks,
Jack
I would largely, yes, but then that’s generally good advice with trousers. My first paler pair I’d look too would be a cream/bone colour
I see.
Would you avoid wearing this every week? I am considering commissioning a jacket with the same glen-checked cloth as I only have navy, brown and grey, so I wanted a more casual and interesting jacket. I am a bit scared that I might get bored because of the pattern.
I might do, yes, but that’s the case with anything more interesting and you have most of your bases covered already
Hi Simon
In the photos this jacket seems to collapse a lot compared to the other Ciardi commissions, especially your gun-club tweed. Is this loss of structure real? If so is it the sponginess/stretch of the material or did you have it unlined or without canvas in some way?
No, I don’t think there’s a big difference Alvin. The material is lighter and spongier than others, so that might account for the difference, but if there is one it’s small
Hi Simon, could I ask what differences in make there are between The Anthology and Ciardi other than the factors that The Anthology is produced in China (cheaper labour cost, rent, etc.), which contributes to the price being lower than Ciardi’s?
Many thanks,
Jack
It’s a good point Jack, I’m not sure if there are any, but I’ll ask the Anthology guys again for some details
That would be great. Thanks, Simon.
Hi Simon, do you often wear the cardigan with smart jeans or mostly with tailored trousers?
Many thanks,
Jack
Mostly tailored
Hi Simon, in terms of collared shirts, I find myself exclusively wearing polo shirts (both woven, ie pique, and knitted). I especially find knitted shirts appealing as they embody a casual-yet-refined, and distinct-yet-subtle style. While I love your Dartmoor polo, I find it too formal and delicate to wear casually on the weekend, with jeans, running around chasing kids. On a related note, any word on when it will be available in black? This would be great for evenings out.
I purchased your cashmere Rugby and find it perfect for something I can wear with tailoring and casually. For something not as warm, what are your thoughts on the Colhay’s ‘Father’s’ polo? It looks fine enough for tailoring but I think has enough casual details. Do you think it can bridge formal and casual?
While I have no need for it, as I have a Stoffa cashmere shirt, the Colhay’s new cashmere silk resort shirt seems like an excellent alternative to their cashmere polo.
The Dartmoor in black will be available in a couple of weeks Guy.
The Colhay’s one has some nice style details, but is essentially a standard 2-ply polo and can certainly be both smart and casual.
The resort shirt I haven’t tried (seeing Ronnie next week to run through everything) but I would worry a little it would be too lightweight for me to wear except as a shirt – which is what I found with the Stoffa version too. And then not always the best under a jacket as the collar is fairly low/standard
Thanks Simon, appreciate the feedback. Looking forward to the Dartmoor in black!
While I think the Resort Short would look great as a shirt (agree it’s too lightweight for anything else), it unfortunately doesn’t suit my lifestyle. Funnily enough, I actually get quite a lot of wear in winter out of my Stoffa shirts. Yes, it definitely works best as a shirt, but the collar is quite large which means it sits up under the lapels of a sports jacket.
Thanks again
Interesting, thanks Guy
I really like this look. Sort of a long shot, but I’m wondering if by chance you might know of someone who could do this sort of cardigan made-to-measure. I know some traveling Italian shirt makers do sweaters as well; have you ever tried these offerings?
I have occasionally tried MTM knitwear, though not always with success. I would think Stoffa could fit, given theirs are MTM usually?
I have just gotten a couple of very nice sweaters from Stoffa as it happens; I’ll ask if they can do a collar that would stand up under a jacket.
Nice. If you’re want a collar like that I’m not sure how good theirs will be, but definitely worth asking
Hi Simon, do you think dark brown suede or leather might have worked better than the black suede loafers if you weren’t wearing charcoal flannels? As it seems the colour of the jacket is a slightly warm-toned brown to me.
Many thanks,
Jack
I know what you mean. I think with the cream and white and grey elsewhere, it works fine with the black. And there’s a black belt to help it too. But a dark-brown would be a little easier and would certainly work as well
Hi Simon, if you were to wear this oatmeal colour knitwear in crewneck with a navy blue casual jacket e.g. Safari, teba, which colour shirts and trousers would you go for?
Many thanks,
Jack
I think lots of things could work Jack. White shirt and grey flannels for instance, or a pale denim shirt perhaps
Thanks, Simon. For some reason, I find navy blue pretty tricky to wear when it is not so dark. The white shirt often looked too stark and boring against it, but I will try the pale denim shirt. Would you say a pale pink shirt and dark khaki chinos could go well too?
Hey Jack,
Potentially, yes. Also try and blue/white stripe shirt, sometimes that can be easier than a stark white
Alright! Thank you, Simon.
This is a beautiful jacket – I’ve been looking over your Ciardi pieces over the last few days and love the style + the fabrics you’ve had them made up in.
2 questions if you’d indulge me 🙂
1) Do you know of any good cloths similar to this one in tone and pattern?
2) What is (or are) the main reason(s) you’d go for Ciardi over the Anthology?
1) Nothing off the top of my head, but it shouldn’t be that hard to find it you look around, or you’ll find a similar brown mid-weight wool with a check you like.
2) Ciardi is a slightly better make and fit on me, and there are little details I prefer like the lack of keyhole lapel buttonhole
Got it, thanks Simon 🙂
ps. Hope you enjoyed your holiday / time off.
Thanks Ollie, I did!
Hi Simon,
This might be a silly question but does the cashmere shirt collar resemble a proper shirt collar – in terms of height?
I often find with some knit polos, for example, that they are quite low and unflattering.
As far as I can tell from the photos the Colhays one looks higher….
It is a little higher, but the same issue is there, it’s not as big or as structured as a shrit collar, so is never going to behave in the same way